Crucial week of prospective strikes

Ealing Times: Trade unions are balloting workers on strike action Trade unions are balloting workers on strike action

The Government is facing a crucial week over the prospect of the biggest strike since the coalition came to office, amid growing anger over pay restraint in the public sector.

The country's biggest trade unions are balloting hundreds of thousands of council workers in England and Wales in protest at an offer worth 1% for most staff.

Unison will announce the result of its ballot tomorrow, followed by the GMB and Unite over the next week.

The Public and Commercial Services union is also balloting its members for a strike in a long-running dispute over cuts in the civil service, with the result also due by the end of the month.

If workers vote yes, there will be a one day strike on July 10, which Unison general secretary Dave Prentis has predicted could be bigger than the General Strike.

Members of the National Union of Teachers will also take industrial action on July 10, while firefighters in England and Wales have staged a series of walkouts over pensions over the past year and have not ruled out further stoppages.

Meanwhile, midwives in England could soon be balloted for industrial action in protest at the Government's controversial decision not to accept a recommended 1% across the board pay rise for NHS staff.

Thousands of midwives and maternity support staff are currently being consulted on whether they want a formal ballot for action.

Jon Skewes, director of policy and employment relations at the Royal College of Midwives, said: "Midwives are really angry that the Government said to them they'd get a 1% pay rise but now only staff at the top of their pay scales will get that rise, and it's not consolidated into their pay.

"Jeremy Hunt (health secretary) has picked out health workers for harsher treatment on pay than anyone else in the public sector.

"This is the time for midwives to take a stand because the Government is intent on assaulting their pay and conditions."

Other health unions are warning of ballots for industrial action, which could see a second wave of public sector strikes in in the autumn.

At the opening of the annual conference of the Rail, Maritime and Transport union in Bristol, acting general secretary Mick Cash reinforced calls for co-ordinated action against cuts and the threat to jobs and working conditions.

He said: "This is the first RMT AGM since the death of our general secretary Bob Crow but the fighting, militant organisation that was built under Bob's leadership remains in place as we have shown in a wave of recent disputes from London Underground to Heathrow Express and in on-going campaigns to defend our members' jobs, pay and working conditions.

"RMT has long argued for a policy of co-ordinated and generalised strike action that unites every group of workers threatened with the cosh of austerity and it is encouraging to see that that position is gaining traction the length and breadth of the trade union movement.

"Our AGM here in Bristol will lay out the framework for our campaigns and action for the year ahead - fighting against the rail franchising shambles that threatens jobs and safety in the name of greed and profit, demanding investment in modernisation and capacity and continuing the battle against zero hours contracts and casualisation."

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12:49pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Howard Cháse says...

Teachers to strike all through August.......
Teachers to strike all through August....... Howard Cháse
  • Score: 1

12:56pm Sun 22 Jun 14

loftusrod says...

Howard Cháse wrote:
Teachers to strike all through August.......
If they feel the need to strike that's exactly what they should do; strike during the school holidays.
[quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: Teachers to strike all through August.......[/p][/quote]If they feel the need to strike that's exactly what they should do; strike during the school holidays. loftusrod
  • Score: -1

3:44pm Sun 22 Jun 14

beach1e says...

council workers? Swindon council workers must be amongst the laziest overpaid load of shysters....they are well matched by teachers...if you dont like your cushy jobs, get a job in the private sector where you have to work for your money, dont get any cushy pension thats paid for by others, or get pay rises as often,and if you are rubbish in your job..you lose it...not like public servants.....the lot of them are lazy and overpaid..
council workers? Swindon council workers must be amongst the laziest overpaid load of shysters....they are well matched by teachers...if you dont like your cushy jobs, get a job in the private sector where you have to work for your money, dont get any cushy pension thats paid for by others, or get pay rises as often,and if you are rubbish in your job..you lose it...not like public servants.....the lot of them are lazy and overpaid.. beach1e
  • Score: 5

4:44pm Sun 22 Jun 14

rosered1 says...

beach1e wrote:
council workers? Swindon council workers must be amongst the laziest overpaid load of shysters....they are well matched by teachers...if you dont like your cushy jobs, get a job in the private sector where you have to work for your money, dont get any cushy pension thats paid for by others, or get pay rises as often,and if you are rubbish in your job..you lose it...not like public servants.....the lot of them are lazy and overpaid..
Cushy jobs? Really? The Public Sector has had no pay rises for 4 years and are now offered 1% for this year and another 1% next year. When you consider that cost of living has risen dramatically the offer of one per cent leaves Public Sector way behind in the wage stakes. Put crudely, public sector workers, bank employees and the self employed are getting a financial slap in the face. From the Guardian: ~ "evidence showed that the public overestimates pay levels in the public sector. The reality is that salaries are significantly less than for equivalent private-sector roles - about half according to the Aon Hewitt pay database information" ~ yes those at the top of the tree do take home enormous wages and always have, however those of us at the lower ends of the payscales are on much less than our private sector counterparts. Guess which end goes to meetings all day and guess which end of the payscale does the work? Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: council workers? Swindon council workers must be amongst the laziest overpaid load of shysters....they are well matched by teachers...if you dont like your cushy jobs, get a job in the private sector where you have to work for your money, dont get any cushy pension thats paid for by others, or get pay rises as often,and if you are rubbish in your job..you lose it...not like public servants.....the lot of them are lazy and overpaid..[/p][/quote]Cushy jobs? Really? The Public Sector has had no pay rises for 4 years and are now offered 1% for this year and another 1% next year. When you consider that cost of living has risen dramatically the offer of one per cent leaves Public Sector way behind in the wage stakes. Put crudely, public sector workers, bank employees and the self employed are getting a financial slap in the face. From the Guardian: ~ "evidence showed that the public overestimates pay levels in the public sector. The reality is that salaries are significantly less than for equivalent private-sector roles - about half according to the Aon Hewitt pay database information" ~ yes those at the top of the tree do take home enormous wages and always have, however those of us at the lower ends of the payscales are on much less than our private sector counterparts. Guess which end goes to meetings all day and guess which end of the payscale does the work? Spot on. rosered1
  • Score: 13

5:49pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Stand up and be counted ...... The destruction of our Public Services has gone far enough and you cant blame the workers for taking action before this Tory led coaltion destroys it completely
Stand up and be counted ...... The destruction of our Public Services has gone far enough and you cant blame the workers for taking action before this Tory led coaltion destroys it completely Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 9

5:53pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Magor says...

Too many public sector jobs have been created that we dont really need.
Too many public sector jobs have been created that we dont really need. Magor
  • Score: -2

6:05pm Sun 22 Jun 14

speedy231278 says...

Oh, poor them. Nice big pension pot, unlike the rest of us, and no pay rise, just like the rest of us in the privatge sector. And usually a higher wage than the private sector for a simialr job!
Oh, poor them. Nice big pension pot, unlike the rest of us, and no pay rise, just like the rest of us in the privatge sector. And usually a higher wage than the private sector for a simialr job! speedy231278
  • Score: -11

6:24pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Devils Advocate says...

What a load of misinformed "Sun" worshipers you all are. You think dustmen get a free pension? Train drivers? Power workers? You think they are overpaid? Why not try dabbling with the facts before getting your minds bent by the Tory rags? You may possibly be thinking of civil servants, but the workers in the public sector have always been grossly underpaid. They, like most other workers, pay for their own pension, apart from the amount the employer pays into their private pension scheme if they have joined (and paid) into one, but that is offset by the colossal interest he earns from their money. Plus, if you think they don't work as hard as anyone else, you are possibly looking at sections of mis-management. Instead of continuously attacking your own class, why not try looking at the 1% who get the 90% of the available money, and it is earned for them by their brokers. Come on, open your eyes for God sakes. You are attacking yourselves!
What a load of misinformed "Sun" worshipers you all are. You think dustmen get a free pension? Train drivers? Power workers? You think they are overpaid? Why not try dabbling with the facts before getting your minds bent by the Tory rags? You may possibly be thinking of civil servants, but the workers in the public sector have always been grossly underpaid. They, like most other workers, pay for their own pension, apart from the amount the employer pays into their private pension scheme if they have joined (and paid) into one, but that is offset by the colossal interest he earns from their money. Plus, if you think they don't work as hard as anyone else, you are possibly looking at sections of mis-management. Instead of continuously attacking your own class, why not try looking at the 1% who get the 90% of the available money, and it is earned for them by their brokers. Come on, open your eyes for God sakes. You are attacking yourselves! Devils Advocate
  • Score: 15

7:04pm Sun 22 Jun 14

cj07589 says...

rosered1 wrote:
beach1e wrote:
council workers? Swindon council workers must be amongst the laziest overpaid load of shysters....they are well matched by teachers...if you dont like your cushy jobs, get a job in the private sector where you have to work for your money, dont get any cushy pension thats paid for by others, or get pay rises as often,and if you are rubbish in your job..you lose it...not like public servants.....the lot of them are lazy and overpaid..
Cushy jobs? Really? The Public Sector has had no pay rises for 4 years and are now offered 1% for this year and another 1% next year. When you consider that cost of living has risen dramatically the offer of one per cent leaves Public Sector way behind in the wage stakes. Put crudely, public sector workers, bank employees and the self employed are getting a financial slap in the face. From the Guardian: ~ "evidence showed that the public overestimates pay levels in the public sector. The reality is that salaries are significantly less than for equivalent private-sector roles - about half according to the Aon Hewitt pay database information" ~ yes those at the top of the tree do take home enormous wages and always have, however those of us at the lower ends of the payscales are on much less than our private sector counterparts. Guess which end goes to meetings all day and guess which end of the payscale does the work? Spot on.
If you don't like your employment conditions then find another job like the rest of us. Don't expect the squeezed private sector workers who don't get inflation fixed guaranteed year pay-rises to fund it.
[quote][p][bold]rosered1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: council workers? Swindon council workers must be amongst the laziest overpaid load of shysters....they are well matched by teachers...if you dont like your cushy jobs, get a job in the private sector where you have to work for your money, dont get any cushy pension thats paid for by others, or get pay rises as often,and if you are rubbish in your job..you lose it...not like public servants.....the lot of them are lazy and overpaid..[/p][/quote]Cushy jobs? Really? The Public Sector has had no pay rises for 4 years and are now offered 1% for this year and another 1% next year. When you consider that cost of living has risen dramatically the offer of one per cent leaves Public Sector way behind in the wage stakes. Put crudely, public sector workers, bank employees and the self employed are getting a financial slap in the face. From the Guardian: ~ "evidence showed that the public overestimates pay levels in the public sector. The reality is that salaries are significantly less than for equivalent private-sector roles - about half according to the Aon Hewitt pay database information" ~ yes those at the top of the tree do take home enormous wages and always have, however those of us at the lower ends of the payscales are on much less than our private sector counterparts. Guess which end goes to meetings all day and guess which end of the payscale does the work? Spot on.[/p][/quote]If you don't like your employment conditions then find another job like the rest of us. Don't expect the squeezed private sector workers who don't get inflation fixed guaranteed year pay-rises to fund it. cj07589
  • Score: -6

7:17pm Sun 22 Jun 14

cj07589 says...

Devils Advocate wrote:
What a load of misinformed "Sun" worshipers you all are. You think dustmen get a free pension? Train drivers? Power workers? You think they are overpaid? Why not try dabbling with the facts before getting your minds bent by the Tory rags? You may possibly be thinking of civil servants, but the workers in the public sector have always been grossly underpaid. They, like most other workers, pay for their own pension, apart from the amount the employer pays into their private pension scheme if they have joined (and paid) into one, but that is offset by the colossal interest he earns from their money. Plus, if you think they don't work as hard as anyone else, you are possibly looking at sections of mis-management. Instead of continuously attacking your own class, why not try looking at the 1% who get the 90% of the available money, and it is earned for them by their brokers. Come on, open your eyes for God sakes. You are attacking yourselves!
Fair point it's the divide a conquer tactic the real frustration and anger should be focused at those rotten MPs who happily award themselves 11% pay-rise for doing nothing extra from the year before. When you strike you're only penalising ordinary working folk how does that help. If you want to make an effective stand blockade Lazyminister for a few weeks please don't make the lives of ordinary struggling folk any harder it's quite simply counterproductive.
[quote][p][bold]Devils Advocate[/bold] wrote: What a load of misinformed "Sun" worshipers you all are. You think dustmen get a free pension? Train drivers? Power workers? You think they are overpaid? Why not try dabbling with the facts before getting your minds bent by the Tory rags? You may possibly be thinking of civil servants, but the workers in the public sector have always been grossly underpaid. They, like most other workers, pay for their own pension, apart from the amount the employer pays into their private pension scheme if they have joined (and paid) into one, but that is offset by the colossal interest he earns from their money. Plus, if you think they don't work as hard as anyone else, you are possibly looking at sections of mis-management. Instead of continuously attacking your own class, why not try looking at the 1% who get the 90% of the available money, and it is earned for them by their brokers. Come on, open your eyes for God sakes. You are attacking yourselves![/p][/quote]Fair point it's the divide a conquer tactic the real frustration and anger should be focused at those rotten MPs who happily award themselves 11% pay-rise for doing nothing extra from the year before. When you strike you're only penalising ordinary working folk how does that help. If you want to make an effective stand blockade Lazyminister for a few weeks please don't make the lives of ordinary struggling folk any harder it's quite simply counterproductive. cj07589
  • Score: 8

8:30pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Hessenford says...

Public sector NHS workers are paid through a specific banding for their job ranging from band 1 to band 9, band 1 to 3 are front line workers, housekeepers, nursing, porters catering staff, all of these people make up the majority of hospital workers, in other words front line staff.
Band 4 to 9 are management level right up to Chief exec.
Band 1 to 3 staff earn range from around £13,000 up to £17.500 which is well under the average wage in this country, these workers do not receive gold plated pensions.
Bands 1 to 9 are paid from £21,500 way up the chief exec level which can average between 180,000 up to £250,00 depending on which NHS Trust they work for.
So lets not degrade all public sector workers as over paid people with gold plated pensions, some of the duties front line hospital staff have to perform would probably turn most of the private sector employees stomachs let alone the violence and aggression they receive from drunks, druggies and patients with mental health issues, quite frankly I believe that most of the private sector employees would not cope with such tasks which pays so little wage, plus of course our public sector employees normally work a 24 hour shift system while most private sector workers are sitting on their comfy sofas watching the tv or getting a good nights sleep, £17.500 per year for shift work, aggressive patients and visitors, collecting deceased patients, wiping up bodily fluids to name a few, I wonder how many private sector workers would do this for such a low wage, my guess none.
Public sector NHS workers are paid through a specific banding for their job ranging from band 1 to band 9, band 1 to 3 are front line workers, housekeepers, nursing, porters catering staff, all of these people make up the majority of hospital workers, in other words front line staff. Band 4 to 9 are management level right up to Chief exec. Band 1 to 3 staff earn range from around £13,000 up to £17.500 which is well under the average wage in this country, these workers do not receive gold plated pensions. Bands 1 to 9 are paid from £21,500 way up the chief exec level which can average between 180,000 up to £250,00 depending on which NHS Trust they work for. So lets not degrade all public sector workers as over paid people with gold plated pensions, some of the duties front line hospital staff have to perform would probably turn most of the private sector employees stomachs let alone the violence and aggression they receive from drunks, druggies and patients with mental health issues, quite frankly I believe that most of the private sector employees would not cope with such tasks which pays so little wage, plus of course our public sector employees normally work a 24 hour shift system while most private sector workers are sitting on their comfy sofas watching the tv or getting a good nights sleep, £17.500 per year for shift work, aggressive patients and visitors, collecting deceased patients, wiping up bodily fluids to name a few, I wonder how many private sector workers would do this for such a low wage, my guess none. Hessenford
  • Score: 7

8:34pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Hessenford says...

cj07589 wrote:
rosered1 wrote:
beach1e wrote:
council workers? Swindon council workers must be amongst the laziest overpaid load of shysters....they are well matched by teachers...if you dont like your cushy jobs, get a job in the private sector where you have to work for your money, dont get any cushy pension thats paid for by others, or get pay rises as often,and if you are rubbish in your job..you lose it...not like public servants.....the lot of them are lazy and overpaid..
Cushy jobs? Really? The Public Sector has had no pay rises for 4 years and are now offered 1% for this year and another 1% next year. When you consider that cost of living has risen dramatically the offer of one per cent leaves Public Sector way behind in the wage stakes. Put crudely, public sector workers, bank employees and the self employed are getting a financial slap in the face. From the Guardian: ~ "evidence showed that the public overestimates pay levels in the public sector. The reality is that salaries are significantly less than for equivalent private-sector roles - about half according to the Aon Hewitt pay database information" ~ yes those at the top of the tree do take home enormous wages and always have, however those of us at the lower ends of the payscales are on much less than our private sector counterparts. Guess which end goes to meetings all day and guess which end of the payscale does the work? Spot on.
If you don't like your employment conditions then find another job like the rest of us. Don't expect the squeezed private sector workers who don't get inflation fixed guaranteed year pay-rises to fund it.
And I'm sure that you would be the first to moan about understaffed hospitals if every one took your view and quit their jobs, I do hope that you never need the NHS in an emergency should you or a member of your family suffer a serious accident or illness.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rosered1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: council workers? Swindon council workers must be amongst the laziest overpaid load of shysters....they are well matched by teachers...if you dont like your cushy jobs, get a job in the private sector where you have to work for your money, dont get any cushy pension thats paid for by others, or get pay rises as often,and if you are rubbish in your job..you lose it...not like public servants.....the lot of them are lazy and overpaid..[/p][/quote]Cushy jobs? Really? The Public Sector has had no pay rises for 4 years and are now offered 1% for this year and another 1% next year. When you consider that cost of living has risen dramatically the offer of one per cent leaves Public Sector way behind in the wage stakes. Put crudely, public sector workers, bank employees and the self employed are getting a financial slap in the face. From the Guardian: ~ "evidence showed that the public overestimates pay levels in the public sector. The reality is that salaries are significantly less than for equivalent private-sector roles - about half according to the Aon Hewitt pay database information" ~ yes those at the top of the tree do take home enormous wages and always have, however those of us at the lower ends of the payscales are on much less than our private sector counterparts. Guess which end goes to meetings all day and guess which end of the payscale does the work? Spot on.[/p][/quote]If you don't like your employment conditions then find another job like the rest of us. Don't expect the squeezed private sector workers who don't get inflation fixed guaranteed year pay-rises to fund it.[/p][/quote]And I'm sure that you would be the first to moan about understaffed hospitals if every one took your view and quit their jobs, I do hope that you never need the NHS in an emergency should you or a member of your family suffer a serious accident or illness. Hessenford
  • Score: 3

8:42pm Sun 22 Jun 14

cj07589 says...

Hessenford wrote:
Public sector NHS workers are paid through a specific banding for their job ranging from band 1 to band 9, band 1 to 3 are front line workers, housekeepers, nursing, porters catering staff, all of these people make up the majority of hospital workers, in other words front line staff.
Band 4 to 9 are management level right up to Chief exec.
Band 1 to 3 staff earn range from around £13,000 up to £17.500 which is well under the average wage in this country, these workers do not receive gold plated pensions.
Bands 1 to 9 are paid from £21,500 way up the chief exec level which can average between 180,000 up to £250,00 depending on which NHS Trust they work for.
So lets not degrade all public sector workers as over paid people with gold plated pensions, some of the duties front line hospital staff have to perform would probably turn most of the private sector employees stomachs let alone the violence and aggression they receive from drunks, druggies and patients with mental health issues, quite frankly I believe that most of the private sector employees would not cope with such tasks which pays so little wage, plus of course our public sector employees normally work a 24 hour shift system while most private sector workers are sitting on their comfy sofas watching the tv or getting a good nights sleep, £17.500 per year for shift work, aggressive patients and visitors, collecting deceased patients, wiping up bodily fluids to name a few, I wonder how many private sector workers would do this for such a low wage, my guess none.
Yes but you seem to forget that nobody is forced to work in the PS, I wouldn't want to do a policeman or NHS professionals role by choice but that's why I studied and worked hard at school and beyond. I entirely agree that 20k odd is not good money for the intensity and type of work involved but striking will only alienate them from the very cash strapped people who need it. Don't forget the MPs and rich don't use theNHS or comprehensive schools so going on strike just **** off the very people they should be keeping onside. Shutting down Westminister/London with strikes and picket lines via direct action makes much more sense. However I think guy had the best idea in deal dealing with the greedy half wits in Parliament.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: Public sector NHS workers are paid through a specific banding for their job ranging from band 1 to band 9, band 1 to 3 are front line workers, housekeepers, nursing, porters catering staff, all of these people make up the majority of hospital workers, in other words front line staff. Band 4 to 9 are management level right up to Chief exec. Band 1 to 3 staff earn range from around £13,000 up to £17.500 which is well under the average wage in this country, these workers do not receive gold plated pensions. Bands 1 to 9 are paid from £21,500 way up the chief exec level which can average between 180,000 up to £250,00 depending on which NHS Trust they work for. So lets not degrade all public sector workers as over paid people with gold plated pensions, some of the duties front line hospital staff have to perform would probably turn most of the private sector employees stomachs let alone the violence and aggression they receive from drunks, druggies and patients with mental health issues, quite frankly I believe that most of the private sector employees would not cope with such tasks which pays so little wage, plus of course our public sector employees normally work a 24 hour shift system while most private sector workers are sitting on their comfy sofas watching the tv or getting a good nights sleep, £17.500 per year for shift work, aggressive patients and visitors, collecting deceased patients, wiping up bodily fluids to name a few, I wonder how many private sector workers would do this for such a low wage, my guess none.[/p][/quote]Yes but you seem to forget that nobody is forced to work in the PS, I wouldn't want to do a policeman or NHS professionals role by choice but that's why I studied and worked hard at school and beyond. I entirely agree that 20k odd is not good money for the intensity and type of work involved but striking will only alienate them from the very cash strapped people who need it. Don't forget the MPs and rich don't use theNHS or comprehensive schools so going on strike just **** off the very people they should be keeping onside. Shutting down Westminister/London with strikes and picket lines via direct action makes much more sense. However I think guy had the best idea in deal dealing with the greedy half wits in Parliament. cj07589
  • Score: 3

8:44pm Sun 22 Jun 14

cj07589 says...

Hessenford wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
rosered1 wrote:
beach1e wrote:
council workers? Swindon council workers must be amongst the laziest overpaid load of shysters....they are well matched by teachers...if you dont like your cushy jobs, get a job in the private sector where you have to work for your money, dont get any cushy pension thats paid for by others, or get pay rises as often,and if you are rubbish in your job..you lose it...not like public servants.....the lot of them are lazy and overpaid..
Cushy jobs? Really? The Public Sector has had no pay rises for 4 years and are now offered 1% for this year and another 1% next year. When you consider that cost of living has risen dramatically the offer of one per cent leaves Public Sector way behind in the wage stakes. Put crudely, public sector workers, bank employees and the self employed are getting a financial slap in the face. From the Guardian: ~ "evidence showed that the public overestimates pay levels in the public sector. The reality is that salaries are significantly less than for equivalent private-sector roles - about half according to the Aon Hewitt pay database information" ~ yes those at the top of the tree do take home enormous wages and always have, however those of us at the lower ends of the payscales are on much less than our private sector counterparts. Guess which end goes to meetings all day and guess which end of the payscale does the work? Spot on.
If you don't like your employment conditions then find another job like the rest of us. Don't expect the squeezed private sector workers who don't get inflation fixed guaranteed year pay-rises to fund it.
And I'm sure that you would be the first to moan about understaffed hospitals if every one took your view and quit their jobs, I do hope that you never need the NHS in an emergency should you or a member of your family suffer a serious accident or illness.
I fully respect the great work done in the NHS but do have access to private care and don't have to use the NHS by choice. The point I make is by striking in this fashion is hardly the way to get the public supporting it. Surely you see that?
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rosered1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: council workers? Swindon council workers must be amongst the laziest overpaid load of shysters....they are well matched by teachers...if you dont like your cushy jobs, get a job in the private sector where you have to work for your money, dont get any cushy pension thats paid for by others, or get pay rises as often,and if you are rubbish in your job..you lose it...not like public servants.....the lot of them are lazy and overpaid..[/p][/quote]Cushy jobs? Really? The Public Sector has had no pay rises for 4 years and are now offered 1% for this year and another 1% next year. When you consider that cost of living has risen dramatically the offer of one per cent leaves Public Sector way behind in the wage stakes. Put crudely, public sector workers, bank employees and the self employed are getting a financial slap in the face. From the Guardian: ~ "evidence showed that the public overestimates pay levels in the public sector. The reality is that salaries are significantly less than for equivalent private-sector roles - about half according to the Aon Hewitt pay database information" ~ yes those at the top of the tree do take home enormous wages and always have, however those of us at the lower ends of the payscales are on much less than our private sector counterparts. Guess which end goes to meetings all day and guess which end of the payscale does the work? Spot on.[/p][/quote]If you don't like your employment conditions then find another job like the rest of us. Don't expect the squeezed private sector workers who don't get inflation fixed guaranteed year pay-rises to fund it.[/p][/quote]And I'm sure that you would be the first to moan about understaffed hospitals if every one took your view and quit their jobs, I do hope that you never need the NHS in an emergency should you or a member of your family suffer a serious accident or illness.[/p][/quote]I fully respect the great work done in the NHS but do have access to private care and don't have to use the NHS by choice. The point I make is by striking in this fashion is hardly the way to get the public supporting it. Surely you see that? cj07589
  • Score: 1

9:20pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Hessenford says...

cj07589 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
rosered1 wrote:
beach1e wrote:
council workers? Swindon council workers must be amongst the laziest overpaid load of shysters....they are well matched by teachers...if you dont like your cushy jobs, get a job in the private sector where you have to work for your money, dont get any cushy pension thats paid for by others, or get pay rises as often,and if you are rubbish in your job..you lose it...not like public servants.....the lot of them are lazy and overpaid..
Cushy jobs? Really? The Public Sector has had no pay rises for 4 years and are now offered 1% for this year and another 1% next year. When you consider that cost of living has risen dramatically the offer of one per cent leaves Public Sector way behind in the wage stakes. Put crudely, public sector workers, bank employees and the self employed are getting a financial slap in the face. From the Guardian: ~ "evidence showed that the public overestimates pay levels in the public sector. The reality is that salaries are significantly less than for equivalent private-sector roles - about half according to the Aon Hewitt pay database information" ~ yes those at the top of the tree do take home enormous wages and always have, however those of us at the lower ends of the payscales are on much less than our private sector counterparts. Guess which end goes to meetings all day and guess which end of the payscale does the work? Spot on.
If you don't like your employment conditions then find another job like the rest of us. Don't expect the squeezed private sector workers who don't get inflation fixed guaranteed year pay-rises to fund it.
And I'm sure that you would be the first to moan about understaffed hospitals if every one took your view and quit their jobs, I do hope that you never need the NHS in an emergency should you or a member of your family suffer a serious accident or illness.
I fully respect the great work done in the NHS but do have access to private care and don't have to use the NHS by choice. The point I make is by striking in this fashion is hardly the way to get the public supporting it. Surely you see that?
Re your earlier reply that no one is forced to work in the public sector, pretty negative view, someone has to do it, a lot of the staff in private health care learned their trade in the NHS and then deserted for more money, most NHS workers actually enjoy their employment apart from the vile wage they are paid.
We also shouldn't tar all public sector workers with the myth of fantastic pensions, that is only reserved for the pen pushers and consultants.
I totally agree about your point on strikes, I have never favored strike action for any dispute, I would rather see work to rule, believe me when I say that a work to rule would bring the NHS and other public sector jobs to its knees.
I think the reason behind a call for strike action is because public sector workers feel their back is to the wall after 5 years of well under inflation pay rises for a job that is well under the national average wage already, plus energy bills, fuel and food is forever increasing, front line public sector employees have actually taken a pay cut in recent years.
If you can afford private medical care then good for you but do not forget that private medical care is quite often farmed out to the NHS because private care does not have the the resources of the NHS, if staff strike or leave in their droves for better employment as you suggest this would have a knock on effect to your private care so you will still suffer the consequences of work to rule, strikes or mass resignations.
Private medical institutions do not have the vast array of operating theaters or staff no matter how much you may pay so we need our NHS and other public sector workforce and they should be paid a proper living wage for the massively important job they do.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rosered1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: council workers? Swindon council workers must be amongst the laziest overpaid load of shysters....they are well matched by teachers...if you dont like your cushy jobs, get a job in the private sector where you have to work for your money, dont get any cushy pension thats paid for by others, or get pay rises as often,and if you are rubbish in your job..you lose it...not like public servants.....the lot of them are lazy and overpaid..[/p][/quote]Cushy jobs? Really? The Public Sector has had no pay rises for 4 years and are now offered 1% for this year and another 1% next year. When you consider that cost of living has risen dramatically the offer of one per cent leaves Public Sector way behind in the wage stakes. Put crudely, public sector workers, bank employees and the self employed are getting a financial slap in the face. From the Guardian: ~ "evidence showed that the public overestimates pay levels in the public sector. The reality is that salaries are significantly less than for equivalent private-sector roles - about half according to the Aon Hewitt pay database information" ~ yes those at the top of the tree do take home enormous wages and always have, however those of us at the lower ends of the payscales are on much less than our private sector counterparts. Guess which end goes to meetings all day and guess which end of the payscale does the work? Spot on.[/p][/quote]If you don't like your employment conditions then find another job like the rest of us. Don't expect the squeezed private sector workers who don't get inflation fixed guaranteed year pay-rises to fund it.[/p][/quote]And I'm sure that you would be the first to moan about understaffed hospitals if every one took your view and quit their jobs, I do hope that you never need the NHS in an emergency should you or a member of your family suffer a serious accident or illness.[/p][/quote]I fully respect the great work done in the NHS but do have access to private care and don't have to use the NHS by choice. The point I make is by striking in this fashion is hardly the way to get the public supporting it. Surely you see that?[/p][/quote]Re your earlier reply that no one is forced to work in the public sector, pretty negative view, someone has to do it, a lot of the staff in private health care learned their trade in the NHS and then deserted for more money, most NHS workers actually enjoy their employment apart from the vile wage they are paid. We also shouldn't tar all public sector workers with the myth of fantastic pensions, that is only reserved for the pen pushers and consultants. I totally agree about your point on strikes, I have never favored strike action for any dispute, I would rather see work to rule, believe me when I say that a work to rule would bring the NHS and other public sector jobs to its knees. I think the reason behind a call for strike action is because public sector workers feel their back is to the wall after 5 years of well under inflation pay rises for a job that is well under the national average wage already, plus energy bills, fuel and food is forever increasing, front line public sector employees have actually taken a pay cut in recent years. If you can afford private medical care then good for you but do not forget that private medical care is quite often farmed out to the NHS because private care does not have the the resources of the NHS, if staff strike or leave in their droves for better employment as you suggest this would have a knock on effect to your private care so you will still suffer the consequences of work to rule, strikes or mass resignations. Private medical institutions do not have the vast array of operating theaters or staff no matter how much you may pay so we need our NHS and other public sector workforce and they should be paid a proper living wage for the massively important job they do. Hessenford
  • Score: 3

9:20pm Sun 22 Jun 14

BobEvams2014 says...

When UKIP win the next election, all public sector workers will work for a rate below the minumum wage, on zero hour contractsand be on call 24/7to any member of the public with no standby allowance or overtime payments.

Furthermore all retired Public Sector workers will be forced to pay back all the gold plated pension they have recieved over the years since they retired including their own contributions as a penalty or fine for working in the public sector sector in the first place. This could result in some former public employees paying back sums going back 20 years, reports indicate the public approve of this , and also that all public sector workers should not be allowed to vote,
When UKIP win the next election, all public sector workers will work for a rate below the minumum wage, on zero hour contractsand be on call 24/7to any member of the public with no standby allowance or overtime payments. Furthermore all retired Public Sector workers will be forced to pay back all the gold plated pension they have recieved over the years since they retired including their own contributions as a penalty or fine for working in the public sector sector in the first place. This could result in some former public employees paying back sums going back 20 years, reports indicate the public approve of this , and also that all public sector workers should not be allowed to vote, BobEvams2014
  • Score: 1

9:38pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Hessenford says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
When UKIP win the next election, all public sector workers will work for a rate below the minumum wage, on zero hour contractsand be on call 24/7to any member of the public with no standby allowance or overtime payments.

Furthermore all retired Public Sector workers will be forced to pay back all the gold plated pension they have recieved over the years since they retired including their own contributions as a penalty or fine for working in the public sector sector in the first place. This could result in some former public employees paying back sums going back 20 years, reports indicate the public approve of this , and also that all public sector workers should not be allowed to vote,
Shame UKIP haven't got a hope in hell of winning power then isn't it.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: When UKIP win the next election, all public sector workers will work for a rate below the minumum wage, on zero hour contractsand be on call 24/7to any member of the public with no standby allowance or overtime payments. Furthermore all retired Public Sector workers will be forced to pay back all the gold plated pension they have recieved over the years since they retired including their own contributions as a penalty or fine for working in the public sector sector in the first place. This could result in some former public employees paying back sums going back 20 years, reports indicate the public approve of this , and also that all public sector workers should not be allowed to vote,[/p][/quote]Shame UKIP haven't got a hope in hell of winning power then isn't it. Hessenford
  • Score: 0

10:27pm Sun 22 Jun 14

BobEvams2014 says...

Hessenford wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
When UKIP win the next election, all public sector workers will work for a rate below the minumum wage, on zero hour contractsand be on call 24/7to any member of the public with no standby allowance or overtime payments.

Furthermore all retired Public Sector workers will be forced to pay back all the gold plated pension they have recieved over the years since they retired including their own contributions as a penalty or fine for working in the public sector sector in the first place. This could result in some former public employees paying back sums going back 20 years, reports indicate the public approve of this , and also that all public sector workers should not be allowed to vote,
Shame UKIP haven't got a hope in hell of winning power then isn't it.
Welshman and Dia Rear come on here all the time, and they inform me that polls indicate UKIP will win with a 200 seat majority, and Farage will be PM, repalce the Queen as head of state, Pope, Archbishop of Canterbury and Manager of the England Football team !

And these are policies all UKIP supporters want and demand !!!
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: When UKIP win the next election, all public sector workers will work for a rate below the minumum wage, on zero hour contractsand be on call 24/7to any member of the public with no standby allowance or overtime payments. Furthermore all retired Public Sector workers will be forced to pay back all the gold plated pension they have recieved over the years since they retired including their own contributions as a penalty or fine for working in the public sector sector in the first place. This could result in some former public employees paying back sums going back 20 years, reports indicate the public approve of this , and also that all public sector workers should not be allowed to vote,[/p][/quote]Shame UKIP haven't got a hope in hell of winning power then isn't it.[/p][/quote]Welshman and Dia Rear come on here all the time, and they inform me that polls indicate UKIP will win with a 200 seat majority, and Farage will be PM, repalce the Queen as head of state, Pope, Archbishop of Canterbury and Manager of the England Football team ! And these are policies all UKIP supporters want and demand !!! BobEvams2014
  • Score: 1

10:47pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Hessenford says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
When UKIP win the next election, all public sector workers will work for a rate below the minumum wage, on zero hour contractsand be on call 24/7to any member of the public with no standby allowance or overtime payments.

Furthermore all retired Public Sector workers will be forced to pay back all the gold plated pension they have recieved over the years since they retired including their own contributions as a penalty or fine for working in the public sector sector in the first place. This could result in some former public employees paying back sums going back 20 years, reports indicate the public approve of this , and also that all public sector workers should not be allowed to vote,
Shame UKIP haven't got a hope in hell of winning power then isn't it.
Welshman and Dia Rear come on here all the time, and they inform me that polls indicate UKIP will win with a 200 seat majority, and Farage will be PM, repalce the Queen as head of state, Pope, Archbishop of Canterbury and Manager of the England Football team !

And these are policies all UKIP supporters want and demand !!!
Great, you should be on Live At THE Apollo.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: When UKIP win the next election, all public sector workers will work for a rate below the minumum wage, on zero hour contractsand be on call 24/7to any member of the public with no standby allowance or overtime payments. Furthermore all retired Public Sector workers will be forced to pay back all the gold plated pension they have recieved over the years since they retired including their own contributions as a penalty or fine for working in the public sector sector in the first place. This could result in some former public employees paying back sums going back 20 years, reports indicate the public approve of this , and also that all public sector workers should not be allowed to vote,[/p][/quote]Shame UKIP haven't got a hope in hell of winning power then isn't it.[/p][/quote]Welshman and Dia Rear come on here all the time, and they inform me that polls indicate UKIP will win with a 200 seat majority, and Farage will be PM, repalce the Queen as head of state, Pope, Archbishop of Canterbury and Manager of the England Football team ! And these are policies all UKIP supporters want and demand !!![/p][/quote]Great, you should be on Live At THE Apollo. Hessenford
  • Score: 1

8:07am Mon 23 Jun 14

cj07589 says...

Hessenford wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
rosered1 wrote:
beach1e wrote:
council workers? Swindon council workers must be amongst the laziest overpaid load of shysters....they are well matched by teachers...if you dont like your cushy jobs, get a job in the private sector where you have to work for your money, dont get any cushy pension thats paid for by others, or get pay rises as often,and if you are rubbish in your job..you lose it...not like public servants.....the lot of them are lazy and overpaid..
Cushy jobs? Really? The Public Sector has had no pay rises for 4 years and are now offered 1% for this year and another 1% next year. When you consider that cost of living has risen dramatically the offer of one per cent leaves Public Sector way behind in the wage stakes. Put crudely, public sector workers, bank employees and the self employed are getting a financial slap in the face. From the Guardian: ~ "evidence showed that the public overestimates pay levels in the public sector. The reality is that salaries are significantly less than for equivalent private-sector roles - about half according to the Aon Hewitt pay database information" ~ yes those at the top of the tree do take home enormous wages and always have, however those of us at the lower ends of the payscales are on much less than our private sector counterparts. Guess which end goes to meetings all day and guess which end of the payscale does the work? Spot on.
If you don't like your employment conditions then find another job like the rest of us. Don't expect the squeezed private sector workers who don't get inflation fixed guaranteed year pay-rises to fund it.
And I'm sure that you would be the first to moan about understaffed hospitals if every one took your view and quit their jobs, I do hope that you never need the NHS in an emergency should you or a member of your family suffer a serious accident or illness.
I fully respect the great work done in the NHS but do have access to private care and don't have to use the NHS by choice. The point I make is by striking in this fashion is hardly the way to get the public supporting it. Surely you see that?
Re your earlier reply that no one is forced to work in the public sector, pretty negative view, someone has to do it, a lot of the staff in private health care learned their trade in the NHS and then deserted for more money, most NHS workers actually enjoy their employment apart from the vile wage they are paid.
We also shouldn't tar all public sector workers with the myth of fantastic pensions, that is only reserved for the pen pushers and consultants.
I totally agree about your point on strikes, I have never favored strike action for any dispute, I would rather see work to rule, believe me when I say that a work to rule would bring the NHS and other public sector jobs to its knees.
I think the reason behind a call for strike action is because public sector workers feel their back is to the wall after 5 years of well under inflation pay rises for a job that is well under the national average wage already, plus energy bills, fuel and food is forever increasing, front line public sector employees have actually taken a pay cut in recent years.
If you can afford private medical care then good for you but do not forget that private medical care is quite often farmed out to the NHS because private care does not have the the resources of the NHS, if staff strike or leave in their droves for better employment as you suggest this would have a knock on effect to your private care so you will still suffer the consequences of work to rule, strikes or mass resignations.
Private medical institutions do not have the vast array of operating theaters or staff no matter how much you may pay so we need our NHS and other public sector workforce and they should be paid a proper living wage for the massively important job they do.
If you don't like the job or renumeration then find another job or retrain. Otherwise take the grievance direct to Westminister Striking penalises the needy and at risk, hardly productive or helpful in getting a long term solution. I thought it was pretty obvious anybody with an ounce of intelligence should be pragmatic about it. Why do you think the public sector are so special? The majority of private sector haven't had any payrises for years and are exposed to the same increases in the cost of living why you should get any special treatment over the very people who pay their wages? I certainly won't be supporting this self centred bully striking tactics if you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rosered1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: council workers? Swindon council workers must be amongst the laziest overpaid load of shysters....they are well matched by teachers...if you dont like your cushy jobs, get a job in the private sector where you have to work for your money, dont get any cushy pension thats paid for by others, or get pay rises as often,and if you are rubbish in your job..you lose it...not like public servants.....the lot of them are lazy and overpaid..[/p][/quote]Cushy jobs? Really? The Public Sector has had no pay rises for 4 years and are now offered 1% for this year and another 1% next year. When you consider that cost of living has risen dramatically the offer of one per cent leaves Public Sector way behind in the wage stakes. Put crudely, public sector workers, bank employees and the self employed are getting a financial slap in the face. From the Guardian: ~ "evidence showed that the public overestimates pay levels in the public sector. The reality is that salaries are significantly less than for equivalent private-sector roles - about half according to the Aon Hewitt pay database information" ~ yes those at the top of the tree do take home enormous wages and always have, however those of us at the lower ends of the payscales are on much less than our private sector counterparts. Guess which end goes to meetings all day and guess which end of the payscale does the work? Spot on.[/p][/quote]If you don't like your employment conditions then find another job like the rest of us. Don't expect the squeezed private sector workers who don't get inflation fixed guaranteed year pay-rises to fund it.[/p][/quote]And I'm sure that you would be the first to moan about understaffed hospitals if every one took your view and quit their jobs, I do hope that you never need the NHS in an emergency should you or a member of your family suffer a serious accident or illness.[/p][/quote]I fully respect the great work done in the NHS but do have access to private care and don't have to use the NHS by choice. The point I make is by striking in this fashion is hardly the way to get the public supporting it. Surely you see that?[/p][/quote]Re your earlier reply that no one is forced to work in the public sector, pretty negative view, someone has to do it, a lot of the staff in private health care learned their trade in the NHS and then deserted for more money, most NHS workers actually enjoy their employment apart from the vile wage they are paid. We also shouldn't tar all public sector workers with the myth of fantastic pensions, that is only reserved for the pen pushers and consultants. I totally agree about your point on strikes, I have never favored strike action for any dispute, I would rather see work to rule, believe me when I say that a work to rule would bring the NHS and other public sector jobs to its knees. I think the reason behind a call for strike action is because public sector workers feel their back is to the wall after 5 years of well under inflation pay rises for a job that is well under the national average wage already, plus energy bills, fuel and food is forever increasing, front line public sector employees have actually taken a pay cut in recent years. If you can afford private medical care then good for you but do not forget that private medical care is quite often farmed out to the NHS because private care does not have the the resources of the NHS, if staff strike or leave in their droves for better employment as you suggest this would have a knock on effect to your private care so you will still suffer the consequences of work to rule, strikes or mass resignations. Private medical institutions do not have the vast array of operating theaters or staff no matter how much you may pay so we need our NHS and other public sector workforce and they should be paid a proper living wage for the massively important job they do.[/p][/quote]If you don't like the job or renumeration then find another job or retrain. Otherwise take the grievance direct to Westminister Striking penalises the needy and at risk, hardly productive or helpful in getting a long term solution. I thought it was pretty obvious anybody with an ounce of intelligence should be pragmatic about it. Why do you think the public sector are so special? The majority of private sector haven't had any payrises for years and are exposed to the same increases in the cost of living why you should get any special treatment over the very people who pay their wages? I certainly won't be supporting this self centred bully striking tactics if you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen. cj07589
  • Score: -2

4:15pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Devils Advocate says...

cj07589 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Public sector NHS workers are paid through a specific banding for their job ranging from band 1 to band 9, band 1 to 3 are front line workers, housekeepers, nursing, porters catering staff, all of these people make up the majority of hospital workers, in other words front line staff.
Band 4 to 9 are management level right up to Chief exec.
Band 1 to 3 staff earn range from around £13,000 up to £17.500 which is well under the average wage in this country, these workers do not receive gold plated pensions.
Bands 1 to 9 are paid from £21,500 way up the chief exec level which can average between 180,000 up to £250,00 depending on which NHS Trust they work for.
So lets not degrade all public sector workers as over paid people with gold plated pensions, some of the duties front line hospital staff have to perform would probably turn most of the private sector employees stomachs let alone the violence and aggression they receive from drunks, druggies and patients with mental health issues, quite frankly I believe that most of the private sector employees would not cope with such tasks which pays so little wage, plus of course our public sector employees normally work a 24 hour shift system while most private sector workers are sitting on their comfy sofas watching the tv or getting a good nights sleep, £17.500 per year for shift work, aggressive patients and visitors, collecting deceased patients, wiping up bodily fluids to name a few, I wonder how many private sector workers would do this for such a low wage, my guess none.
Yes but you seem to forget that nobody is forced to work in the PS, I wouldn't want to do a policeman or NHS professionals role by choice but that's why I studied and worked hard at school and beyond. I entirely agree that 20k odd is not good money for the intensity and type of work involved but striking will only alienate them from the very cash strapped people who need it. Don't forget the MPs and rich don't use theNHS or comprehensive schools so going on strike just **** off the very people they should be keeping onside. Shutting down Westminister/London with strikes and picket lines via direct action makes much more sense. However I think guy had the best idea in deal dealing with the greedy half wits in Parliament.
Whilst I agree with much of your comment, I disagree with your assumption that nobody in the public sector "studied and worked hard during school and beyond." You failed to notice that the skilled section of the Public sector at a minimum underwent a five-year apprenticeship which included compulsory evening classes and day release to technical colleges to create the skill levels they requirerd for their chosen career. Many skilled public sector workers have made careers in heavy industry, using skills that most people wouldn't even know existed, but that is only part of the story. Many of those services involve the shall I say "Seamier" side of the public hygiene work. work I for one would never ever choose to do. As for working somewhere else, I would guess you haven't tried looking for a new career lately. Public sector workers have always been the subject of Government cut-backs and as a result have always trailed in the wages league.
Are you also aware that lots of "professional" callings have an automatic differential salary system whereby their differentials are maintained. You would not work for less money than the people you consider less well-educated than you, so your money is kept above anything they earn. Also, the mentality of the management is to get the best for the least. Until the well-educated realise this and adjust the balance of remuneration so that everybody gets a "Fair days work for a fair days pay" then you will have a system where people have to use whatever means they can to get themselves a living wage. Even the ones, like the Police, who have a "No strike agreement" are sorely abused over their pay and conditions, despite the agreement not so to do. If you want to fix the discontentment, start looking to a system where the workforce is paid a decent living wage. Costly but just. Stop being so selfish!
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: Public sector NHS workers are paid through a specific banding for their job ranging from band 1 to band 9, band 1 to 3 are front line workers, housekeepers, nursing, porters catering staff, all of these people make up the majority of hospital workers, in other words front line staff. Band 4 to 9 are management level right up to Chief exec. Band 1 to 3 staff earn range from around £13,000 up to £17.500 which is well under the average wage in this country, these workers do not receive gold plated pensions. Bands 1 to 9 are paid from £21,500 way up the chief exec level which can average between 180,000 up to £250,00 depending on which NHS Trust they work for. So lets not degrade all public sector workers as over paid people with gold plated pensions, some of the duties front line hospital staff have to perform would probably turn most of the private sector employees stomachs let alone the violence and aggression they receive from drunks, druggies and patients with mental health issues, quite frankly I believe that most of the private sector employees would not cope with such tasks which pays so little wage, plus of course our public sector employees normally work a 24 hour shift system while most private sector workers are sitting on their comfy sofas watching the tv or getting a good nights sleep, £17.500 per year for shift work, aggressive patients and visitors, collecting deceased patients, wiping up bodily fluids to name a few, I wonder how many private sector workers would do this for such a low wage, my guess none.[/p][/quote]Yes but you seem to forget that nobody is forced to work in the PS, I wouldn't want to do a policeman or NHS professionals role by choice but that's why I studied and worked hard at school and beyond. I entirely agree that 20k odd is not good money for the intensity and type of work involved but striking will only alienate them from the very cash strapped people who need it. Don't forget the MPs and rich don't use theNHS or comprehensive schools so going on strike just **** off the very people they should be keeping onside. Shutting down Westminister/London with strikes and picket lines via direct action makes much more sense. However I think guy had the best idea in deal dealing with the greedy half wits in Parliament.[/p][/quote]Whilst I agree with much of your comment, I disagree with your assumption that nobody in the public sector "studied and worked hard during school and beyond." You failed to notice that the skilled section of the Public sector at a minimum underwent a five-year apprenticeship which included compulsory evening classes and day release to technical colleges to create the skill levels they requirerd for their chosen career. Many skilled public sector workers have made careers in heavy industry, using skills that most people wouldn't even know existed, but that is only part of the story. Many of those services involve the shall I say "Seamier" side of the public hygiene work. work I for one would never ever choose to do. As for working somewhere else, I would guess you haven't tried looking for a new career lately. Public sector workers have always been the subject of Government cut-backs and as a result have always trailed in the wages league. Are you also aware that lots of "professional" callings have an automatic differential salary system whereby their differentials are maintained. You would not work for less money than the people you consider less well-educated than you, so your money is kept above anything they earn. Also, the mentality of the management is to get the best for the least. Until the well-educated realise this and adjust the balance of remuneration so that everybody gets a "Fair days work for a fair days pay" then you will have a system where people have to use whatever means they can to get themselves a living wage. Even the ones, like the Police, who have a "No strike agreement" are sorely abused over their pay and conditions, despite the agreement not so to do. If you want to fix the discontentment, start looking to a system where the workforce is paid a decent living wage. Costly but just. Stop being so selfish! Devils Advocate
  • Score: 1

11:01pm Mon 23 Jun 14

25414nora says...

beach1e wrote:
council workers? Swindon council workers must be amongst the laziest overpaid load of shysters....they are well matched by teachers...if you dont like your cushy jobs, get a job in the private sector where you have to work for your money, dont get any cushy pension thats paid for by others, or get pay rises as often,and if you are rubbish in your job..you lose it...not like public servants.....the lot of them are lazy and overpaid..
Instead of trying to reduce public sector workers to your level, wouldn't it be more enterprising if you made the effort, and endeavour to reach their level.

When working class people bemoan, and compare their austere living standards to the rich and wealthy, you and the Tories call it the "politics of envy".....Think about it..
[quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote: council workers? Swindon council workers must be amongst the laziest overpaid load of shysters....they are well matched by teachers...if you dont like your cushy jobs, get a job in the private sector where you have to work for your money, dont get any cushy pension thats paid for by others, or get pay rises as often,and if you are rubbish in your job..you lose it...not like public servants.....the lot of them are lazy and overpaid..[/p][/quote]Instead of trying to reduce public sector workers to your level, wouldn't it be more enterprising if you made the effort, and endeavour to reach their level. When working class people bemoan, and compare their austere living standards to the rich and wealthy, you and the Tories call it the "politics of envy".....Think about it.. 25414nora
  • Score: 2
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